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Chippewa Ghost 11th Mar 2018, 8:04 PM edit delete
Chippewa Ghost
YO! I hate Daylight Savings Time! Screws up my update schedule twice a year!

Though it's pretty obvious how I swing on this issue, tell me your thoughts on the feasibility and effectiveness of banning "assault-style weapons"... foreign (non US) opinions specifically desired.

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BUMBLEBEE 11th Mar 2018, 8:34 PM edit delete reply
BUMBLEBEE
I think the ship sailed, there's too many already. I'd rather see some training required, and maybe periodic psych evals if you plan on keeping it. Put some actual resources into keeping them out of the hands of crazy people. You need a special license to drive a car, but any idiot can buy a gun that can blow your leg off? We're not even trying.

As a matter of fact, we ought to make it a little tougher to get a driver's license too!
Chippewa Ghost 13th Mar 2018, 8:45 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
I appreciate your response on this contentious topic... I think we could all use a little more training on weapons handling, be it the kind that runs on 5.56 mm or 87 octane.
argylefox 11th Mar 2018, 10:29 PM edit delete reply
argylefox
I think that it's a start. However, there is more going on than just availability of guns. Something is driving Americans to kill young Americans on mass and I think banning guns won't be the end of it, that's for sure.

I think the negativity towards police, the out-of-touch politicians, major mental health issues, drug abuse and so on are just the tip of the ice-berg.

I think instead of making snappy sound-bite fixes ("Be tougher on crime") some real thought needs to go into fixing some really entrenched problems. So, sure, start with guns, but don't think that will be the end of it.
Chippewa Ghost 11th Mar 2018, 10:47 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
This is the closest thing I've seen to a coherent explanation of the mass shooting epidemic and what's to be done about it. (Hint: Junger says it won't be solved by a pure technical solution and I'm inclined to agree.)

And roger that there are mass killings without guns (see: Japan's stabby stabby events) but man bump stocks.
anonymous coward 11th Mar 2018, 11:08 PM edit delete reply
More ingredients get added to the clusterfuck stew. It would be a sad commentary on how this has happened in real life if those SWAT dudes showed up in the wrong place and started killing innocent civilians, wouldn't it?

Your request causes me confusion, are you fucking serious, or just trolling? I could give you a more extensive answer than this if you really want it, but I'm going to go straight to nitpicking the request and the terminology in it because it strikes me as limiting and stupid:
"Assault style weapons," is a bullshit made up category that includes guns made in newer ways because it conflicts with the profit margins of older and more established companies. The whole question fails on the absurdity of its terminology/semantics. "Assault weapon ban" is nonsense made up in order to have people debate something that can't seriously affect the issue as opposed to genuinely gripping on it and changing things.
Chippewa Ghost 13th Mar 2018, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
I appreciate your response to this contentious issue... I assure you that no, I am not trolling, that everyone's responses here have been very eye-opening for me at least.
Stever 12th Mar 2018, 7:44 AM edit delete reply
Stever
Since I'm in the US, all I can say is that I'm against all guns because humans aren't competent or thoughtful enough to use them responsibly.
Microraptor 12th Mar 2018, 3:20 PM edit delete reply
Microraptor
It seems that in the face of the de facto power shared between Director Shelby and Edward Chapel, whoever the officially elected Mayor of AB is doesn't actually have much of a say in this matters...

Regarding your inquiry: As "pinko-commie" European, I am inclined to say: Yes, overly lax gun laws are bad! However, I also get the argument in principle about people's desire to have adequate means of self-defense.
But what I think is extremely questionable is Mr. Trump's proposal concerning guns for teachers. Schools are filled to the brim with highly irresponsible people (they are called "kids"), so more guns in that environment (and thus in theory within the kids' reach, because who guarantees that the teachers never fail to be responsible gun owners) doesn't seem at all like a good idea to me. Furthermore, what message does this send to the kids if the omnipresence of guns even in schools becomes the "new normal"?
Chippewa Ghost 12th Mar 2018, 9:34 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
Purely from the perspective of liability, arming teachers is a non-starter. What school district wants to expose themselves to those sorts of destructive lawsuits when they can add more campus liaison officers instead? And if the NRA thinks it can shove through legislation that absolves teachers of responsibility when there's the inevitable accidental (or otherwise) discharge that kills a student, they've got another think coming.
sigpig 12th Mar 2018, 4:28 PM edit delete reply
sigpig
In Canada, we cannot own/use magazines capable of holding over 5 rounds. Semi-automatic at the most. Very restrictive laws on long weapons, and highly restrictive regulations on hand guns. You must take a firearms safety course (taught by the police) and apply for a firearms acquisition certificate (and have it processed) before you can purchase a firearm.

There is a rural/urban divide on firearms, as farmers and hunters want fewer regulations, and "city folk" want more regs, since there is more gunfire-related violence in cities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate We also never rebelled against our Monarch, never had a civil war, don't have an abject fear and distrust of our government, and don't have a special attachment to our constitution giving us the right to bear arms.

(Although, even in winter, you DO see quite a few bare arms, especially in the gym)...
Chippewa Ghost 13th Mar 2018, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
smh

really, a bare arms joke?

(I appreciate your perspective.)
Seabiscuit 12th Mar 2018, 9:14 PM edit delete reply
Seabiscuit
Sadly I think it's too late, too. Too little, too late? I guess it's better than nothing...
Chippewa Ghost 13th Mar 2018, 8:47 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
Cats don't put fur on people, people put fur on people.

wtf

(Thank you for your response.)
steveha 13th Mar 2018, 1:06 AM edit delete reply
steveha
It's far past time to deal with this epidemic of mass shootings. We need to ban aggressive news coverage.

I favor a law requiring news organizations to not run photos of the killers and not mention their names, and above all not turn them into anti-heroes. If some pathetic loser picks up any kind of weapon and kills with it, currently he will be top news for weeks. If some guy is willing to kill a few people who never did anything to deserve it, famous people talk about him. Sometimes the President of the United States talks about guys like that.

YouTube video: a psychiatrist explains the above

Banning so-called "assault weapons" is a bad idea. When the Tsarnov brothers turned pressure cookers into IEDs nobody talked about banning pressure cookers. If some loser uses Molotov cocktails to kill a bunch of people, nobody would talk about banning gasoline. All of these killers use cars to haul their stuff around, and kidnappers often couldn't commit their crimes without a car, but nobody talks about banning cars. (And the Constitution has no special protections for pressure cookers, gasoline, or cars.) For the purposes of mass murder of defenseless people, handguns are about as effective as long arms anyway. You can't solve the problem by banning scary-looking black rifles.

By the way: one of the Tsarnov brothers was put on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine and generally given rock-star treatment. See above point about not turning losers who into anti-heroes just because they are willing to do horrible things to innocent people.


P.S. Bump stocks? Right after that horrible shooting incident in Las Vegas, the NRA issued a statement saying it recommends banning bump stocks. The Trump administration proposed to ban them. Bump stocks don't have a lot of friends. And, unless someone demonstrates that they are a suitable weapon for soldiers, I don't think the Second Amendment even covers them.
Chippewa Ghost 13th Mar 2018, 8:49 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
steveha, I appreciate your perspective and appreciate your response... I completely agree that mass shooters should not be glorified, they should at best be work for academic psychologists, not reality TV segments or popular culture periodicals.
Cooke 13th Mar 2018, 10:57 PM edit delete reply
Cooke
I can only give my perspective from this little island and can't attest to the different attitudes towards guns in America. I think any effective restrictions on "assault style weapons" would not curtail school shooters or mass shooters. By narrowing down the focus to specific types of weapons, it seems the media and the powers that be have shifted the focus away from serious discussions about the root causes of this once again and are almost making the argument that it's not the mass shooters that are the problem, but the high body count they can inflict.

There is a strong possibility that yes, of course it would be better to mitigate the damage they can cause if armed only with pistols maybe. So the next thing would be to make it harder for them to gain access to those guns. However, as we've seen time and time again, the young men who commit these acts are very resourceful, calculating and intelligent. The examples I've heard before were Scotland and Australia clamping down hard on gun ownership after school shootings and being effective but I think it's comparing apples to oranges when it comes to America. It's fair to say in my estimation that the sheer ammount of gun circulation already in play dwarfs both of those and even if AR-15's were banned, I bet enough of them would still be circulating on the black market which is something too easy to overlook in the rush to act now.

Outside of mass shootings and just looking at gun crime, if we just take this little country (Ireland) as a case study where it's notoriously difficult to even get a shotgun for shooting game, we are considered one of the worst in Europe when it comes to gun crime per capita. So the argument that restricting firearms will reduce gun crime is no guarantee either.

There's certainly a growing trend when it comes to young men who are very narcissistic, full of nilhisim, who hate their fellow people and values and have no sense of responsibility or direction in their life. Why exactly does that translate into ever increasing mass shooters in America? Ease of access to firearms is one argument but is just a facet of a broader issue. We won't really know the full extent of it until there's honest discussion which can't happen when both sides are too busy morally grandstanding and demonising the other. This is a trend I can sadly see continuing into the future,
Chippewa Ghost 13th Mar 2018, 11:02 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
Again, I would recommend this book as one of the better explorations I've seen.
Cooke 13th Mar 2018, 11:08 PM edit delete reply
Cooke
What's the name? Nothing's coming up for me. Just says it's not available in Ireland.
Chippewa Ghost 13th Mar 2018, 11:32 PM edit delete reply
Chippewa Ghost
Tribe by Sebastian Junger.
AmeliaP 26th Mar 2018, 6:26 PM edit delete reply
AmeliaP
"She's not my girl" XD